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	<description>Technology is neither the problem nor the solution.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Twittering by lowell</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/twittering/comment-page-1/#comment-11789</link>
		<dc:creator>lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go for it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go for it. <img src='http://durandus.com/phaedrus/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Twittering by Christopher Panama</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/twittering/comment-page-1/#comment-11788</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Panama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I trust you would not have reservations if I posted a part of this on my univeristy blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I trust you would not have reservations if I posted a part of this on my univeristy blog?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The hidden curriculum&#8230; by Frankie Frasure</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2009/10/the-hidden-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-11784</link>
		<dc:creator>Frankie Frasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Melanie...I think some get confused between hidden curriculum and hidden agendas.  I was concerned that my kids weren&#039;t learning as well as another teachers students- my teaching was certainly more non-traditional than hers.  But at the end of it all, my kids learned a great deal more than anyone realized, without the student even realizing they were learning things they weren&#039;t really interested in.  Through discussions and questions relating to their personal/social life they had a greater perspective on the various literary pieces we were reading.  We would digress and discuss things that happened in the past with what goes on now...it was amazing to witness them going in depth on topics they wouldn&#039;t have even considered within the text.  Then when we went back to the text...they amazed themselves.  In did wonders for their self-esteem too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Melanie&#8230;I think some get confused between hidden curriculum and hidden agendas.  I was concerned that my kids weren&#8217;t learning as well as another teachers students- my teaching was certainly more non-traditional than hers.  But at the end of it all, my kids learned a great deal more than anyone realized, without the student even realizing they were learning things they weren&#8217;t really interested in.  Through discussions and questions relating to their personal/social life they had a greater perspective on the various literary pieces we were reading.  We would digress and discuss things that happened in the past with what goes on now&#8230;it was amazing to witness them going in depth on topics they wouldn&#8217;t have even considered within the text.  Then when we went back to the text&#8230;they amazed themselves.  In did wonders for their self-esteem too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The hidden curriculum&#8230; by Frankie Frasure</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2009/10/the-hidden-curriculum/comment-page-1/#comment-11783</link>
		<dc:creator>Frankie Frasure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOTH-   
I feel that an education should provide you with as many direct skills as possible- personal finance, business management, human resources, READING (my pet peeve) math for everyday living as well as specialized math, sciences, and so on...it should ALSO give you the skills and knowledge to be able to find /figure out what you need to do, where you need to go...all the resources you need to further your knowledge, which in turn helps out everyone else...which continues to help you out..connectivism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOTH-<br />
I feel that an education should provide you with as many direct skills as possible- personal finance, business management, human resources, READING (my pet peeve) math for everyday living as well as specialized math, sciences, and so on&#8230;it should ALSO give you the skills and knowledge to be able to find /figure out what you need to do, where you need to go&#8230;all the resources you need to further your knowledge, which in turn helps out everyone else&#8230;which continues to help you out..connectivism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The hidden curriculum&#8230; by lowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most things from school are not marketable in today&#039;s job market, including learning how to do your own taxes. 

I think it really does underscore the different schools of thought on the purpose of education. 

Is education supposed to give you the direct skills and knowledge needed to be a productive member of a society?

OR

Is education supposed to give you the skills and knowledge you need to figure out how to be a productive member of any society?

-- When social structures only changed one or twice a millenium, the former would seem to be a good choice. In today&#039;s market place where a new social order sweeps through about every ten to twelve years, one might think that knowing how to survive in flux is more valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most things from school are not marketable in today&#8217;s job market, including learning how to do your own taxes. </p>
<p>I think it really does underscore the different schools of thought on the purpose of education. </p>
<p>Is education supposed to give you the direct skills and knowledge needed to be a productive member of a society?</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>Is education supposed to give you the skills and knowledge you need to figure out how to be a productive member of any society?</p>
<p>&#8211; When social structures only changed one or twice a millenium, the former would seem to be a good choice. In today&#8217;s market place where a new social order sweeps through about every ten to twelve years, one might think that knowing how to survive in flux is more valuable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The hidden curriculum&#8230; by Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with Melanie. I am a product of a Libral Arts University and then earned a M. of Divinity. Much of my education, especially in HS and Undergrad emphasized &quot;social, cultural and behavioural&quot; learning. I consider this to be beneficial... EXCEPT these things are not marketable in most of today&#039;s job market. 

Perhaps we could strike bit more of a balance between liberal arts and technical????? It would&#039;ve been great to learn how to do my taxes in school rather than trial and error in real life :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with Melanie. I am a product of a Libral Arts University and then earned a M. of Divinity. Much of my education, especially in HS and Undergrad emphasized &#8220;social, cultural and behavioural&#8221; learning. I consider this to be beneficial&#8230; EXCEPT these things are not marketable in most of today&#8217;s job market. </p>
<p>Perhaps we could strike bit more of a balance between liberal arts and technical????? It would&#8217;ve been great to learn how to do my taxes in school rather than trial and error in real life <img src='http://durandus.com/phaedrus/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The hidden curriculum&#8230; by Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for citing my post - I appreciate you extending the discussion to your readers.  I only ask that &quot;hidden curriculum&quot; (an established pedagogical theory and line of inquiry) be distinguished from a hidden &quot;agenda&quot; (a subjective rhetorical phrase/term used in speech). 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_curriculum

The hidden curriculum is one of the most important concepts in modern pedagogy and of critical importance to the development of public education programs that account for various social or cognitive advantages that factor into academic success (but are not normally acknowledge or accounted for in learning environments).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for citing my post &#8211; I appreciate you extending the discussion to your readers.  I only ask that &#8220;hidden curriculum&#8221; (an established pedagogical theory and line of inquiry) be distinguished from a hidden &#8220;agenda&#8221; (a subjective rhetorical phrase/term used in speech).<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_curriculum" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_curriculum</a></p>
<p>The hidden curriculum is one of the most important concepts in modern pedagogy and of critical importance to the development of public education programs that account for various social or cognitive advantages that factor into academic success (but are not normally acknowledge or accounted for in learning environments).</p>
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		<title>Comment on The hidden curriculum&#8230; by Karen Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article by you Dr. Lowell, and Melanie McBride. If I am interpreting Melanie&#039;s article correctly, the hidden curriculum impacts students far more than anything we ever teach explicity. By hidden curriculum, she is referring to the values and behaviors we instill in our students by not only the actions we portray to them, but the interactions we allow them to have amongst themselves, and with us. Students come to have their own class culture, which is really important. Having a connection with a class, produces learning throughout the year by far. I know that is a class has your respect, and you respect them, the results of learning are far higher than in those classes that do not demonstrate respect for you or each other. The hidden curriculum is probably the most important part of the learning experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article by you Dr. Lowell, and Melanie McBride. If I am interpreting Melanie&#8217;s article correctly, the hidden curriculum impacts students far more than anything we ever teach explicity. By hidden curriculum, she is referring to the values and behaviors we instill in our students by not only the actions we portray to them, but the interactions we allow them to have amongst themselves, and with us. Students come to have their own class culture, which is really important. Having a connection with a class, produces learning throughout the year by far. I know that is a class has your respect, and you respect them, the results of learning are far higher than in those classes that do not demonstrate respect for you or each other. The hidden curriculum is probably the most important part of the learning experience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Advanced Tools: A Summary by Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well podcasting is something that is not used regularly in my building. I do know that much. This year, my school did offer some pd on podcasting, but they really didn&#039;t know much about it either so I learned very little. That is how far from technology that my district is. Hopefully we will get more in touch as time passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well podcasting is something that is not used regularly in my building. I do know that much. This year, my school did offer some pd on podcasting, but they really didn&#8217;t know much about it either so I learned very little. That is how far from technology that my district is. Hopefully we will get more in touch as time passes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Basic Toolbox by lowell</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2006/09/my-basic-toolbox/comment-page-1/#comment-11765</link>
		<dc:creator>lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all we were doing was aggregating the class, yes, certainly.

But the aggregator is your window on the larger world outside the class. it&#039;s where you can tune and tweak your information flows to pick out the streams you want to pay attention to. As such, they&#039;re much more valuable than a Ning in terms of managing one&#039;s personal learning network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all we were doing was aggregating the class, yes, certainly.</p>
<p>But the aggregator is your window on the larger world outside the class. it&#8217;s where you can tune and tweak your information flows to pick out the streams you want to pay attention to. As such, they&#8217;re much more valuable than a Ning in terms of managing one&#8217;s personal learning network.</p>
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