Comments on: Hacking Diplomas http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/ Technology is neither the problem nor the solution. Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:18:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: opit http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11204 opit Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:19:17 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11204 Some institutions extend their classrooms online. http://www.athabascau.ca/ Remote locations have always led in creative solutions for their students. Some institutions extend their classrooms online.
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Remote locations have always led in creative solutions for their students.

]]> By: iterating toward openness » Blog Archive » On Open Accreditation http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11165 iterating toward openness » Blog Archive » On Open Accreditation Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:53:44 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11165 [...] have been some good comments on my post from yesterday, and interesting posts elsewhere around the net. I realized I needed to clarify my model a bit after reading [...] [...] have been some good comments on my post from yesterday, and interesting posts elsewhere around the net. I realized I needed to clarify my model a bit after reading [...]

]]> By: Amy Howard http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11164 Amy Howard Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:16:33 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11164 A diploma is the reason I attended college. I knew that I had to have it to recieve a career and get paid for it. Could I have used open acesss to recieve the knowledge to teach? I think I would need someone to guide me in the right direction, but I think my ability to teach was in me before I recieved a college education. There is a process that everyone is expected to participate in order to get that piece of paper that says that I went to school. I know some people that have that paper, but it doesn't mean they do thier job well. I think education is moving towards something more flexible. When I was a freshman at Morehead, I had no idea that I would be extending my education from home. So maybe we can get to a point where we can seek our own information and learn from doing and recieve a hand made diploma. I don't believe it will take the place of the current diploma. Maybe Dr. Lowell's idea of taking a test will work. A diploma is the reason I attended college. I knew that I had to have it to recieve a career and get paid for it. Could I have used open acesss to recieve the knowledge to teach? I think I would need someone to guide me in the right direction, but I think my ability to teach was in me before I recieved a college education. There is a process that everyone is expected to participate in order to get that piece of paper that says that I went to school. I know some people that have that paper, but it doesn’t mean they do thier job well. I think education is moving towards something more flexible. When I was a freshman at Morehead, I had no idea that I would be extending my education from home. So maybe we can get to a point where we can seek our own information and learn from doing and recieve a hand made diploma. I don’t believe it will take the place of the current diploma. Maybe Dr. Lowell’s idea of taking a test will work.

]]> By: monica http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11163 monica Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:37:39 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11163 The credentialing process serves a purpose in society. It is not a perfect system, but it is an attempt at standardization of practice for a given field. The credentialing process serves a purpose in society. It is not a perfect system, but it is an attempt at standardization of practice for a given field.

]]> By: Kim Clevinger http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11162 Kim Clevinger Wed, 01 Oct 2008 00:01:51 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11162 I definitely don't think that credentials have to be obtained from a college or other institute in order to be a teacher. It seems to me that a lot of time you simply do pay for "seat time." You see many people "teaching" (for example, in Sunday School) that do not have the paper that says they are certified, but you can just tell that they would be wonderful at the job. Then again, you see many people "teaching" that do have the certification but don't really have the skills to teach. I think that all colleges today need to provide some type of clinical period in order to teach students about the "real world." From college and text books to place of employment are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT worlds!!! I definitely don’t think that credentials have to be obtained from a college or other institute in order to be a teacher. It seems to me that a lot of time you simply do pay for “seat time.” You see many people “teaching” (for example, in Sunday School) that do not have the paper that says they are certified, but you can just tell that they would be wonderful at the job. Then again, you see many people “teaching” that do have the certification but don’t really have the skills to teach.

I think that all colleges today need to provide some type of clinical period in order to teach students about the “real world.” From college and text books to place of employment are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT worlds!!!

]]> By: Steven Egan http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11161 Steven Egan Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:47:45 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11161 Accreditation has two forms, vouching and history. Vouching is what the institutions do. History is what the students have done, and are doing. For this reason I like the idea of a VLE with PLE and game mechanics. The game mechanics give simulated history for the students to show while helping the institutions do a better job of vouching. Accreditation has two forms, vouching and history. Vouching is what the institutions do. History is what the students have done, and are doing. For this reason I like the idea of a VLE with PLE and game mechanics. The game mechanics give simulated history for the students to show while helping the institutions do a better job of vouching.

]]> By: Ashley Pelfrey http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11160 Ashley Pelfrey Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:18:33 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11160 In the time that I have spent in classroom in this region, I have witnessed several teachers, with not only one, but several dimplomas stating that they are teachers. However, many of these teachers would not even remotely qualify as a real teacher, regardless of what their credentials say. I have also met people who do not have diplomas who are the most wonderful teachers ever. But, in this world, its all about whats on paper. In the time that I have spent in classroom in this region, I have witnessed several teachers, with not only one, but several dimplomas stating that they are teachers. However, many of these teachers would not even remotely qualify as a real teacher, regardless of what their credentials say. I have also met people who do not have diplomas who are the most wonderful teachers ever. But, in this world, its all about whats on paper.

]]> By: lowell http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11158 lowell Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:00:09 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11158 Actually, it's not verification that you know what you're doing. It's only verification that you've been through the approved process. If the purpose was to validate that you know what you're doing, then tests like Praxis and PLACE wouldn't require a university recommendation as pre-requisite to taking the exam. Many people "teach" but they're not "teachers." The difference is in credential and social convention. Actually, it’s not verification that you know what you’re doing. It’s only verification that you’ve been through the approved process. If the purpose was to validate that you know what you’re doing, then tests like Praxis and PLACE wouldn’t require a university recommendation as pre-requisite to taking the exam.

Many people “teach” but they’re not “teachers.” The difference is in credential and social convention.

]]> By: Ronn Varney http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11157 Ronn Varney Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:44:23 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11157 I think the role of Credential is more about what the students are receiving from the institution. Yes, you do need a paper to get paid for doing it for verification that you know what you are doing. I think the role of the teacher is to actually help others obtain their credentials. I think the role of Credential is more about what the students are receiving from the institution. Yes, you do need a paper to get paid for doing it for verification that you know what you are doing. I think the role of the teacher is to actually help others obtain their credentials.

]]> By: lowell http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/09/hacking-diplomas/comment-page-1/#comment-11152 lowell Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:42:55 +0000 http://durandus.com/phaedrus/?p=333#comment-11152 I agree. But you DO need a piece of paper to get paid for doing it. I agree.

But you DO need a piece of paper to get paid for doing it.

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