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		<title>By: Kim Clevinger</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/08/23/fear-and-loathing/#comment-10945</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Clevinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 23:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our children are exposed to the dangers of being online.  That is part of our world today.  I think that we need to teach children about the safety issues and not scare them to death.  They will probably continue to use Myspace no matter what a cop says or anyone else.  We may as well teach them how to be safe when social networking just as we teach them how to be safe when crossing the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our children are exposed to the dangers of being online.  That is part of our world today.  I think that we need to teach children about the safety issues and not scare them to death.  They will probably continue to use Myspace no matter what a cop says or anyone else.  We may as well teach them how to be safe when social networking just as we teach them how to be safe when crossing the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/08/23/fear-and-loathing/#comment-10767</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)  I will agree to agree with your entire last comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://durandus.com/phaedrus/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I will agree to agree with your entire last comment.</p>
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		<title>By: lowell</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/08/23/fear-and-loathing/#comment-10766</link>
		<dc:creator>lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not saying it's not a dangerous place. I have two daughters - 10 and 13 - who occupy it and I run transaction logs on their computers. We have talks about what's appropriate on a regular basis. 

There *are* predators online, yes, but there are predators at the mall and at the local fast food joints. The most common abuser is a family member. Hands down. Nobody's talking about taking kids away from parents ... but --ooooh the skeery internets have to be guarded and managed and blocked and ... you get the picture. 

It *is* important to teach kids good safety skills, but isolating that to the online world is a mistake. The legislative attempts to deal with kids and the web are misguided and put kids into harms way by restricting access by the adults who might be able to provide a watchful eye and a guiding hand. 

This is a serious problem but emotional response and anecdotal evidence do little to address the real issue.

And, ya, we can agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s not a dangerous place. I have two daughters - 10 and 13 - who occupy it and I run transaction logs on their computers. We have talks about what&#8217;s appropriate on a regular basis. </p>
<p>There *are* predators online, yes, but there are predators at the mall and at the local fast food joints. The most common abuser is a family member. Hands down. Nobody&#8217;s talking about taking kids away from parents &#8230; but &#8211;ooooh the skeery internets have to be guarded and managed and blocked and &#8230; you get the picture. </p>
<p>It *is* important to teach kids good safety skills, but isolating that to the online world is a mistake. The legislative attempts to deal with kids and the web are misguided and put kids into harms way by restricting access by the adults who might be able to provide a watchful eye and a guiding hand. </p>
<p>This is a serious problem but emotional response and anecdotal evidence do little to address the real issue.</p>
<p>And, ya, we can agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/08/23/fear-and-loathing/#comment-10765</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This is FUD that’s promoted by politicians who want to appear to be doing something significant without actually understanding the issues. Please do not buy into this."

I respect your ideas, but I disagree.  Maybe it is because I was once a young teen girl (and I am thinking that you were probably not .  :)  Haha!)

I'm seriously speaking from experience.  Please understand that I’m no beginner to the world of meeting people online.  I was on AOL and Prodigy before they had numbers after them.  (i.e., AOL 7.0)  I thought it was “cool” when I was 14 and 15 and 30 year-old-men would single me out in rooms.  I would laugh and flirt and almost on a daily basis I would have “meeting offers.”   There is no exaggeration here.  I didn’t take them up on it….but had I lived in a town instead of way out on the farm there is a very good chance that I was stupid enough to do so back then.

I thought I was safe and protected because I was at home and I would laugh and flirt along with them, and I suppose I was to some point.  However, I was stupid enough back them to give out my phone number to complete strangers simply because they became “roomies” and I thought I knew them.  On into my later teens when I began driving, I met quite a few.  Since this was way before the people had digital pictures of themselves online, it is safe to say that usually the people were NOT the people they had described themselves to be and often they were a bit older.  My parents were clueless when it came to me meeting these complete strangers.  Their daughter would never be stupid enough to do that!  However, if you have spent time in chat rooms, you know that the people that you see and meet on a daily basis you begin to feel like you know them better than you do people in the "real world".  There is something about being able to type what you are thinking and feeling which almost makes it easier to be more personal.

I consider myself lucky.   Nothing terribly untoward happened to me except for the occasional freak that wouldn’t stop calling or IMing or emailing me when I asked them to.  However, this was in the years before everyone was online.  Now everyone is online.  There ARE predators out there…maybe not many in the sense that they will trick kids into meeting them in order to abduct them or kill them.  However, many teen girls (and even teen boys) are easily charmed by the smooth talking older guy (I say guy because I have no experience with women doing this, but I’m sure they are out there too).  

They are out there and I do think it is important to teach children that it can be a dangerous environment if they are not careful.  It is important to give them the tools to make smart decisions.  And, yes, I think it is okay to put a bit of fear into them in order to remind them that just because they are meeting behind a computer at first, it can turn into an unsafe environment if it goes beyond that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is FUD that’s promoted by politicians who want to appear to be doing something significant without actually understanding the issues. Please do not buy into this.&#8221;</p>
<p>I respect your ideas, but I disagree.  Maybe it is because I was once a young teen girl (and I am thinking that you were probably not .  <img src='http://durandus.com/phaedrus/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Haha!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m seriously speaking from experience.  Please understand that I’m no beginner to the world of meeting people online.  I was on AOL and Prodigy before they had numbers after them.  (i.e., AOL 7.0)  I thought it was “cool” when I was 14 and 15 and 30 year-old-men would single me out in rooms.  I would laugh and flirt and almost on a daily basis I would have “meeting offers.”   There is no exaggeration here.  I didn’t take them up on it….but had I lived in a town instead of way out on the farm there is a very good chance that I was stupid enough to do so back then.</p>
<p>I thought I was safe and protected because I was at home and I would laugh and flirt along with them, and I suppose I was to some point.  However, I was stupid enough back them to give out my phone number to complete strangers simply because they became “roomies” and I thought I knew them.  On into my later teens when I began driving, I met quite a few.  Since this was way before the people had digital pictures of themselves online, it is safe to say that usually the people were NOT the people they had described themselves to be and often they were a bit older.  My parents were clueless when it came to me meeting these complete strangers.  Their daughter would never be stupid enough to do that!  However, if you have spent time in chat rooms, you know that the people that you see and meet on a daily basis you begin to feel like you know them better than you do people in the &#8220;real world&#8221;.  There is something about being able to type what you are thinking and feeling which almost makes it easier to be more personal.</p>
<p>I consider myself lucky.   Nothing terribly untoward happened to me except for the occasional freak that wouldn’t stop calling or IMing or emailing me when I asked them to.  However, this was in the years before everyone was online.  Now everyone is online.  There ARE predators out there…maybe not many in the sense that they will trick kids into meeting them in order to abduct them or kill them.  However, many teen girls (and even teen boys) are easily charmed by the smooth talking older guy (I say guy because I have no experience with women doing this, but I’m sure they are out there too).  </p>
<p>They are out there and I do think it is important to teach children that it can be a dangerous environment if they are not careful.  It is important to give them the tools to make smart decisions.  And, yes, I think it is okay to put a bit of fear into them in order to remind them that just because they are meeting behind a computer at first, it can turn into an unsafe environment if it goes beyond that.</p>
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		<title>By: carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The students do know more about this than the teachers.  The administration blocks out those sites from school but what we should really be doing is looking at them ourselves.  Cyber bullying is becoming worse and needs to be monitored.  Since we can do this at home, the parents need to step in.  Our district had an assembly about last year and freaked some of the students out.  In our area, I think student do not have a clear idea what kind of sicko's are out there.  Internet safety is one topic I am going to teach in class this year.  I want them to know the bad side of it as well as the benefits.  

  I believe that some educators and parents think if they don't talk about it or teach about it then the students are not exposed to it therefore they will not see the bad side..  Unfortunatley, we all know that they will find the bad out eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The students do know more about this than the teachers.  The administration blocks out those sites from school but what we should really be doing is looking at them ourselves.  Cyber bullying is becoming worse and needs to be monitored.  Since we can do this at home, the parents need to step in.  Our district had an assembly about last year and freaked some of the students out.  In our area, I think student do not have a clear idea what kind of sicko&#8217;s are out there.  Internet safety is one topic I am going to teach in class this year.  I want them to know the bad side of it as well as the benefits.  </p>
<p>  I believe that some educators and parents think if they don&#8217;t talk about it or teach about it then the students are not exposed to it therefore they will not see the bad side..  Unfortunatley, we all know that they will find the bad out eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: lowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"with the huge amount of predators out there now"

This is FUD that's promoted by politicians who want to appear to be doing something significant without actually understanding the issues. Please do not buy into this.

"teens and even preteens need to be educated." 

Very true, but who'll do it when the schools block the sites and don't hire the people who have the skills. 

I started my kids online at 5. They've gotten a very serious education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;with the huge amount of predators out there now&#8221;</p>
<p>This is FUD that&#8217;s promoted by politicians who want to appear to be doing something significant without actually understanding the issues. Please do not buy into this.</p>
<p>&#8220;teens and even preteens need to be educated.&#8221; </p>
<p>Very true, but who&#8217;ll do it when the schools block the sites and don&#8217;t hire the people who have the skills. </p>
<p>I started my kids online at 5. They&#8217;ve gotten a very serious education.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Howard</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/08/23/fear-and-loathing/#comment-10754</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This scared me.  It scared me to think my child could be humiliated in front of the whole school and think that a criminal was imagining her in ways that are unbearable.  As a parent I feel that putting the fear in them will not help.  I remember in high school they put a crashed car in front of our school of a schoolmate that was killed drinking and driving.  It was sad and hard for the friends of that student but on the weekends I saw beer in hand and some drive home.  It didn't work.  And there is the cops coming in and letting students use a simulation of what it is like driving while drunk and having a student drive perfect.  I feel the comment of a balanced education program to teach the dangers of Myspace from someone they trust would be more effective.  Have someone come in that they trust and they will listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This scared me.  It scared me to think my child could be humiliated in front of the whole school and think that a criminal was imagining her in ways that are unbearable.  As a parent I feel that putting the fear in them will not help.  I remember in high school they put a crashed car in front of our school of a schoolmate that was killed drinking and driving.  It was sad and hard for the friends of that student but on the weekends I saw beer in hand and some drive home.  It didn&#8217;t work.  And there is the cops coming in and letting students use a simulation of what it is like driving while drunk and having a student drive perfect.  I feel the comment of a balanced education program to teach the dangers of Myspace from someone they trust would be more effective.  Have someone come in that they trust and they will listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny O'Donnell</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/08/23/fear-and-loathing/#comment-10753</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, most students are more capable of teaching teachers about social networking than vice-versa.  The shocker is that in today's social networking the cool thing is for teenagers to be as sexually appealing and as risque as possible.  I think that it is most important to educate them on the dangers of this.

I think it is sad that they used a site of a girl in their school.  I'm sure that it was really embarrassing for this student.  However, don't you think that they used her for a purpose?  Was her site like many other young girl's sites full of clevage and panty shots?  If that moment of embarrassment made her realize that she should straighted up, then so be it.

Please don't mistake me for some internet prude.  I've been an avid networker almost since the first social networks were open.  During my teen years (and I'm now 30) and prior to my professional career I spent time in AOL chat rooms, and God knows there are probably photos out there that I wouldn't want my grandma seeing.  However, with the huge amount of predators out there now, teens and even preteens need to be educated.

Also, on the flip side, teachers should be cautious about interacting with students on their Myspace or Facebook.  A teacher with a simple site may be found by a student and the student may try to add the teacher.  Sounds innocent, right?  WRONG!  We had a tenured male teacher fired for interacting on the sites of students.  The board found it inappropriate because many of the girls had trashy photos of themselves posted on their pages and didn't think he should be interacting with them under those circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, most students are more capable of teaching teachers about social networking than vice-versa.  The shocker is that in today&#8217;s social networking the cool thing is for teenagers to be as sexually appealing and as risque as possible.  I think that it is most important to educate them on the dangers of this.</p>
<p>I think it is sad that they used a site of a girl in their school.  I&#8217;m sure that it was really embarrassing for this student.  However, don&#8217;t you think that they used her for a purpose?  Was her site like many other young girl&#8217;s sites full of clevage and panty shots?  If that moment of embarrassment made her realize that she should straighted up, then so be it.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t mistake me for some internet prude.  I&#8217;ve been an avid networker almost since the first social networks were open.  During my teen years (and I&#8217;m now 30) and prior to my professional career I spent time in AOL chat rooms, and God knows there are probably photos out there that I wouldn&#8217;t want my grandma seeing.  However, with the huge amount of predators out there now, teens and even preteens need to be educated.</p>
<p>Also, on the flip side, teachers should be cautious about interacting with students on their Myspace or Facebook.  A teacher with a simple site may be found by a student and the student may try to add the teacher.  Sounds innocent, right?  WRONG!  We had a tenured male teacher fired for interacting on the sites of students.  The board found it inappropriate because many of the girls had trashy photos of themselves posted on their pages and didn&#8217;t think he should be interacting with them under those circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Shonda Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shonda Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Elizabeth, the scare method will shock the students into understanding.  But it is also soon forgoted.  Students need to learn and retain the dos and don'ts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Elizabeth, the scare method will shock the students into understanding.  But it is also soon forgoted.  Students need to learn and retain the dos and don&#8217;ts.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this story is horrible.  Many teenagers lack stability  even without being publically humiliated. This could have a major  effect on this student. I do not think that scaring students is the  answer.  I remember the scare tactic being used in a health class and  I think that it probably effected most people for a few days but after the pictures were out of their heads they didn't think of it anymore.   I think that instead of scaring students we need to educate them on  social networking instead in a 
positive manner.  However, with the  lack of technology in many classrooms this can be a daunting task.  I  have one computer in my room right now so it would be difficult for me  to show my students the do's and dont's of web usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this story is horrible.  Many teenagers lack stability  even without being publically humiliated. This could have a major  effect on this student. I do not think that scaring students is the  answer.  I remember the scare tactic being used in a health class and  I think that it probably effected most people for a few days but after the pictures were out of their heads they didn&#8217;t think of it anymore.   I think that instead of scaring students we need to educate them on  social networking instead in a<br />
positive manner.  However, with the  lack of technology in many classrooms this can be a daunting task.  I  have one computer in my room right now so it would be difficult for me  to show my students the do&#8217;s and dont&#8217;s of web usage.</p>
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