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	<description>Technology is neither the problem nor the solution.</description>
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		<title>By: phaedrus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Great Barrier Beliefs</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-11429</link>
		<dc:creator>phaedrus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Great Barrier Beliefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] subject, I wanted to share my take on what I think is wrong with our text&#8217;s take on barriers: Four Barriers? Really? In Solomon, Allen, and Resta, the first chapter does provide an interesting and abbreviated over [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ethnography &#124; EDUC 628-Spring-08</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-10704</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethnography &#124; EDUC 628-Spring-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 15:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/26/four-barriers-really/  if they are concerned.  addthis_url = &#039;http%3A%2F%2Fahinson7.edublogs.org%2F2008%2F05%2F06%2Fethnography%2F&#039;; addthis_title = &#039;Ethnography&#039;; addthis_pub = &#039;&#039;;      Posted by ahinson7 Filed in 1 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/26/four-barriers-really/  if they are concerned.  addthis_url = &#8216;http%3A%2F%2Fahinson7.edublogs.org%2F2008%2F05%2F06%2Fethnography%2F&#8217;; addthis_title = &#8216;Ethnography&#8217;; addthis_pub = &#8221;;      Posted by ahinson7 Filed in 1 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: EDUC 628-Spring-08 &#124; Rebel without a blog</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-10454</link>
		<dc:creator>EDUC 628-Spring-08 &#124; Rebel without a blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 21:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the conversation stream of his Four Barriers? Really?post on his blog Phaedrus to the conversation stream of the same post on Connie Weber’s Fireside [...]</description>
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		<title>By: phaedrus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Compare and Contrast</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-10444</link>
		<dc:creator>phaedrus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Compare and Contrast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote Four Barriers? Really?, Connie Weber invited me to take the same post over to Fireside [...]</description>
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		<title>By: connie weber</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-10428</link>
		<dc:creator>connie weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nathan,

I love this post.  There are so many subparts to discuss.  Wondering if you&#039;d like to try the experiment of posting it (or another entry, such as &quot;Old School New School) as a forum (not blog) on fireside.  It would be a parallel experiment to having the post up here for comments.  I&#039;m interested in seeing what happens when some bloggers move into the forum arena; there&#039;s an overlap in form that many people aren&#039;t aware of--not you, you&#039;re &quot;way up there&quot; in knowledge and experimental edge-- 

I want to jump off with the point that even given every possible access, even given a gold mine of tools and accessibility, teachers I know mostly don&#039;t even take the time to TRY to learn.  There&#039;s a cut-off.  &quot;Oh, I&#039;m not a computer person.&quot;  

And many of the ones who WILL take the time to try often think that there are some tools to learn and put in your pocket; you can have them (and be done) and show off to others something that looks really fancy (or not) yet not have any reflective two-way learning going on; it&#039;s a static sort of thing.  You talk a good deal about this--  and have supported me when I say the things we need to know are process goals, not learning of specific tools.  

I&#039;d like to know what we can actually do to get teachers moving in the right direction with 21st century teaching.  Unlike many, I refuse to give up on the &quot;dinosaurs&quot; who are brilliant teachers but remain isolated and unknowing about what they can to interact in a more dynamic way with a greater whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nathan,</p>
<p>I love this post.  There are so many subparts to discuss.  Wondering if you&#8217;d like to try the experiment of posting it (or another entry, such as &#8220;Old School New School) as a forum (not blog) on fireside.  It would be a parallel experiment to having the post up here for comments.  I&#8217;m interested in seeing what happens when some bloggers move into the forum arena; there&#8217;s an overlap in form that many people aren&#8217;t aware of&#8211;not you, you&#8217;re &#8220;way up there&#8221; in knowledge and experimental edge&#8211; </p>
<p>I want to jump off with the point that even given every possible access, even given a gold mine of tools and accessibility, teachers I know mostly don&#8217;t even take the time to TRY to learn.  There&#8217;s a cut-off.  &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m not a computer person.&#8221;  </p>
<p>And many of the ones who WILL take the time to try often think that there are some tools to learn and put in your pocket; you can have them (and be done) and show off to others something that looks really fancy (or not) yet not have any reflective two-way learning going on; it&#8217;s a static sort of thing.  You talk a good deal about this&#8211;  and have supported me when I say the things we need to know are process goals, not learning of specific tools.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know what we can actually do to get teachers moving in the right direction with 21st century teaching.  Unlike many, I refuse to give up on the &#8220;dinosaurs&#8221; who are brilliant teachers but remain isolated and unknowing about what they can to interact in a more dynamic way with a greater whole.</p>
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		<title>By: lowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think the biggest barrier is political, Rachel. 

Education in the US is being driven by a political agenda that has - for about the last two decades - been dedicated to &quot;getting control&quot; of the process. The cynic in me says its purpose is to keep the populace dumb and compliant, but that attributes a greater skill and awareness than I believe our elected officials have demonstrated. 

I believe that the political barriers prevent teachers from being trained. The political barriers restrict access to the content and technologies that could make a difference. The political barriers enforce a kind of short sighted, &quot;bottom line&quot; oriented thinking in educational leadership. 

So, yea, it&#039;s true, I believe that a lack of teacher knowledge is a factor. The reality is that so long as teachers have a &quot;student mentality&quot; -- that&#039;s the one that starts with &quot;just tell me what I need to know. I don&#039;t have time to think&quot; -- we&#039;re not going to get anywhere. Any professional who waits for mana-from-management to enhance, improve, or otherwise expand their abilities will be sorely disappointed -- teachers included. Right now, in this course, you&#039;re learning how to learn with the technologies. 

The question is, &quot;Will you continue to learn when the course is over? Or will you go back to waiting for ineffectual, outdated, and limited training?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think the biggest barrier is political, Rachel. </p>
<p>Education in the US is being driven by a political agenda that has &#8211; for about the last two decades &#8211; been dedicated to &#8220;getting control&#8221; of the process. The cynic in me says its purpose is to keep the populace dumb and compliant, but that attributes a greater skill and awareness than I believe our elected officials have demonstrated. </p>
<p>I believe that the political barriers prevent teachers from being trained. The political barriers restrict access to the content and technologies that could make a difference. The political barriers enforce a kind of short sighted, &#8220;bottom line&#8221; oriented thinking in educational leadership. </p>
<p>So, yea, it&#8217;s true, I believe that a lack of teacher knowledge is a factor. The reality is that so long as teachers have a &#8220;student mentality&#8221; &#8212; that&#8217;s the one that starts with &#8220;just tell me what I need to know. I don&#8217;t have time to think&#8221; &#8212; we&#8217;re not going to get anywhere. Any professional who waits for mana-from-management to enhance, improve, or otherwise expand their abilities will be sorely disappointed &#8212; teachers included. Right now, in this course, you&#8217;re learning how to learn with the technologies. </p>
<p>The question is, &#8220;Will you continue to learn when the course is over? Or will you go back to waiting for ineffectual, outdated, and limited training?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Going 85 mph&#8230;Back to the Solomon&#8217;s Four Precepts &#171; One Fish&#8217;s Thoughts About the Ginormous Pond of Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Going 85 mph&#8230;Back to the Solomon&#8217;s Four Precepts &#171; One Fish&#8217;s Thoughts About the Ginormous Pond of Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Four&#160;Precepts  I take a look back at Solomon&#8217;s for precepts in chapter 1 and phaedrus&#8217;s blog I&#8217;m trying to be more critical of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rachel Crouch</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-10405</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel Crouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though there are avenues out there for accessing technology; that doesn&#039;t mean most people know how to access it.  I am a prime example of that.

I feel the biggest barrier in my community is a lack of teacher training in the area of technology.  It seems that you agree with this also for the most part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though there are avenues out there for accessing technology; that doesn&#8217;t mean most people know how to access it.  I am a prime example of that.</p>
<p>I feel the biggest barrier in my community is a lack of teacher training in the area of technology.  It seems that you agree with this also for the most part?</p>
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		<title>By: Access and Educational Opportunity: Does it really exist? &#171; Tnprater1006&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-10402</link>
		<dc:creator>Access and Educational Opportunity: Does it really exist? &#171; Tnprater1006&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stated; &#8220;consider what the term “up-to-date” means&#8221; in his most recent blog entry: phaedrus » Blog Archive » Four Barriers? Really?  As educators, we focus on wanting the most current &#8220;up-to-date&#8221; technology but what [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] stated; &#8220;consider what the term “up-to-date” means&#8221; in his most recent blog entry: phaedrus » Blog Archive » Four Barriers? Really?  As educators, we focus on wanting the most current &#8220;up-to-date&#8221; technology but what [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on the four precepts &#171; Remonzer&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/four-barriers-really/comment-page-1/#comment-10400</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on the four precepts &#171; Remonzer&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issue of up-to-date, hardware, software, and connectivity, I understand some of the points made in http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/26/four-barriers-really/ .  It is possible for students, teachers and others to find free software on the internet, but up [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] issue of up-to-date, hardware, software, and connectivity, I understand some of the points made in <a href="http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/26/four-barriers-really/" rel="nofollow">http://durandus.com/phaedrus/2008/01/26/four-barriers-really/</a> .  It is possible for students, teachers and others to find free software on the internet, but up [...]</p>
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