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	<title>Comments on: Learner VS Student</title>
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		<title>By: Gloria Newsome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria Newsome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This brings to mind,"teaching the test" I hear this quit often because of CATS testing and it is true that both teachers will say this will be on the test and students contantly ask, Will this be on the test? I don't get much of this in reference to CATS because I don't teach core content and I am very gratful for that.

Students not only ask this about CATS they ask this about classroom work.  My students have even requested a study guide to know exactly what will be on the test. I remember being told at one epoint of my study that we need to let them know exactly what will be on an assessment and in what format. As a new tacher, I found this disturbing but I asked around in my school and found that some of the teachers did give students a review of the test to look over in the same format and similar questions to do. I still havn't been able to do this. I feel that they need to learn all the material, not only what will be on the test.  I have also heard students say "You didn't go over this."  
Just the other day when one of them said that very statment, 
I thought about  Learner VS Student  and decided to share with them. I told them that in my class we had discussed learners and students and that thinking like learner was much better than thinking like a student.

I said, "It is time you started thinking about being more self motivated to learn for the knowlege and less waiting to see what someone wants to pour into you for the test or the grade. When you get to college, you will have to decide to look be thnk like a learner on a daily basis. No one is going to tell you exactly what is on the test. I am doing you a disservice not pushing you to become an active learner/ thinker. We are all learning new things on a daily basis in life." 

Most of these students are seniors and I saw that some of them began to think about what I was saying.  

Some of them have said that they tend to remember more of the things we study by doing activities than by what they read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This brings to mind,&#8221;teaching the test&#8221; I hear this quit often because of CATS testing and it is true that both teachers will say this will be on the test and students contantly ask, Will this be on the test? I don&#8217;t get much of this in reference to CATS because I don&#8217;t teach core content and I am very gratful for that.</p>
<p>Students not only ask this about CATS they ask this about classroom work.  My students have even requested a study guide to know exactly what will be on the test. I remember being told at one epoint of my study that we need to let them know exactly what will be on an assessment and in what format. As a new tacher, I found this disturbing but I asked around in my school and found that some of the teachers did give students a review of the test to look over in the same format and similar questions to do. I still havn&#8217;t been able to do this. I feel that they need to learn all the material, not only what will be on the test.  I have also heard students say &#8220;You didn&#8217;t go over this.&#8221;<br />
Just the other day when one of them said that very statment,<br />
I thought about  Learner VS Student  and decided to share with them. I told them that in my class we had discussed learners and students and that thinking like learner was much better than thinking like a student.</p>
<p>I said, &#8220;It is time you started thinking about being more self motivated to learn for the knowlege and less waiting to see what someone wants to pour into you for the test or the grade. When you get to college, you will have to decide to look be thnk like a learner on a daily basis. No one is going to tell you exactly what is on the test. I am doing you a disservice not pushing you to become an active learner/ thinker. We are all learning new things on a daily basis in life.&#8221; </p>
<p>Most of these students are seniors and I saw that some of them began to think about what I was saying.  </p>
<p>Some of them have said that they tend to remember more of the things we study by doing activities than by what they read.</p>
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		<title>By: Lonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree I sometimes think students are expected to remember a bunch of "Jeopardy" trivia and are not taught to think for themselves. We tell them what they need to know and they memorize it for the test. Some may even retain that information well after the test, others discard it. It would be great to actually be able to help students think for themselves, but I agree that we to have be conditioned to retain for tests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree I sometimes think students are expected to remember a bunch of &#8220;Jeopardy&#8221; trivia and are not taught to think for themselves. We tell them what they need to know and they memorize it for the test. Some may even retain that information well after the test, others discard it. It would be great to actually be able to help students think for themselves, but I agree that we to have be conditioned to retain for tests.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Arnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Arnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Lowell--you bring up some very interesting points.  I think good teachers know that learning is more important than just teaching content.....but at the same time feel constrained...both by the expectations of the department of education and, perhaps, our own conditioning....to measure learning by the amount of content our students can put down on paper on a state mandated test.  I think many teachers struggle with the desire to have a very open, learner-centered classroom while at the same time are afraid to "let go" of the reins!  Whether we realize it or not, most of us have been conditioned much like lab rats to keep doing what we've been doing for decades in order to get that reward....or at least here in Kentucky, to keep away the dreaded Highly Skilled Educator!  From my own person vantage, I see there is great potential for my students to discover own their own....but at the same time I worry what if they don't learn "the right stuff"?  While I realize all knowledge is useful to someone, somewhere at sometime, I am constantly faced with the expectation for my students to perform to please someone "up there" in some office tower who has already decided what my students need to know....sometimes I feel like I'm just a cog in the wheel and really make no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Lowell&#8211;you bring up some very interesting points.  I think good teachers know that learning is more important than just teaching content&#8230;..but at the same time feel constrained&#8230;both by the expectations of the department of education and, perhaps, our own conditioning&#8230;.to measure learning by the amount of content our students can put down on paper on a state mandated test.  I think many teachers struggle with the desire to have a very open, learner-centered classroom while at the same time are afraid to &#8220;let go&#8221; of the reins!  Whether we realize it or not, most of us have been conditioned much like lab rats to keep doing what we&#8217;ve been doing for decades in order to get that reward&#8230;.or at least here in Kentucky, to keep away the dreaded Highly Skilled Educator!  From my own person vantage, I see there is great potential for my students to discover own their own&#8230;.but at the same time I worry what if they don&#8217;t learn &#8220;the right stuff&#8221;?  While I realize all knowledge is useful to someone, somewhere at sometime, I am constantly faced with the expectation for my students to perform to please someone &#8220;up there&#8221; in some office tower who has already decided what my students need to know&#8230;.sometimes I feel like I&#8217;m just a cog in the wheel and really make no difference.</p>
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